Banish Burnout with Isabelle Havers

Intuition coach Isabelle Havers helps women overcome burnout from the hustle they face in the corporate world.

Episode Key Points:
Isabelle's journey leading to her it might be moment. [03:00]
How podcasts started Isabelle's process of healing. [12:00]
The power of mindful showers. [16:00]
Questions to ask yourself on your own journey to finding fulfilment. [21:00]
Trusting your intuition. [22:30]
The importance of routines. [27:00]
Making time to breathe. [31:00]
How essential oils helped Isabelle. [32:00]
Tapping for therapy. [33:00]
Indications that your body is out of alignment. [44:00]

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Transcript

Banish Burnout with Isabelle Havers Transcript

[00:00:00] Leah McIntosh: Welcome to it might be me podcast. I'm your host, Leah McIntosh who are here to help you understand that on the other side of that pain and trauma is your transformation. There may be some limiting beliefs, negative emotions and private struggles that have led you to having more. It might be. I'm here to help you learn to adapt let that because we are created to be limitless.

My hope is with each episode, you've move free and understood. Willing to accept that. Although some of our past decisions landed us in a place of uncertainty. We are only one decision away from living our best lives. Now let's go.

(Intro)

Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of it might be. And today I have Isabelle Havers and she has an intuition coach for [00:01:00] women, uh, career or dance.

So I'm going to let her introduce herself and, um, and we'll get started right into the good stuff. 

Isabelle Havers: Yay. Hello, everybody. So good to be here with you today, Leah, so happy and yeah, as you already said, Isabel. From Munich in Germany. And I work as an intuition coach for women that kind of feel lost and maybe even burn out in the hustle of the corporate world.

And I helped them overcome this. Self-doubt questioning themselves all the time and this feeling of never being good enough for anything that they do in their job, because they're not recognized for anything. And yeah, I kind of helped them. Reconnect with their femininity, because what does that mean?

Once you're connected with your feminine side, again, that means that you are able to [00:02:00] trust yourself and trust your talents and eventually trust your intuition. And that is so important to attract joy and ease into your life and that also into your career. So, yeah, that's, that's what I do. And that's what I'm really passionate about.

Leah McIntosh: Awesome. So, How long have you been a intuition coach? 

Isabelle Havers: Full time, self employed a little over a year now, but I've been doing it. Part-time with my corporate job for, I guess three, three years now, but I figured that it can be, it can't be corporate and coaching. And then I decided to go. For my passion and go for the career that really lights me up and that I can be off my best service for everybody.

Leah McIntosh: Awesome. So I asked everyone this, do you have a [00:03:00] specific event or moment that you had? You know what? It might be me and I want to shift, or I need to shift something in my life because. I'm not, you know, living full out 

Isabelle Havers: if there was not really one specific moment, but I guess it was a process and it, and it started without me being aware of it basically, because I was incorporated myself for about 10 years and I was burned out myself.

Only after being in corporate for two years. And I thought it was me, you know, I thought something was wrong with me. And then I also thought, okay, something might be wrong with this company. And I changed companies. And then I also moved to another city and I thought, okay, now here we go. It's a new start.

It's a new company. I'm fresh to this. And [00:04:00] basically a couple of years. And I found myself in the same. Or in a similar situation that I was in right before I got myself into burnout. And that's actually what got me thinking, well, maybe this is not for me. Maybe this is, it is about me. It's not that something is wrong with me, but there is something that I need to change around me and in my life, because obviously the way that I pursue the way that I have been pursuing, pursuing so far.

Let me to being burned out and let me to being unhappy, even though it always seemed like I had it all, you know, I had a great career. I had money that I could spend on nice things. I could go on nice vacations and all that, but obviously I wasn't really happy from within. So there were a lot of things around me that seemed to make [00:05:00] me happy, but that actually didn't.

Leah McIntosh: Yeah. So for like some of the women that might be listening and don't really know how to pinpoint that feeling of burnout, what were some of the signs for you that you were burnt out? 

Isabelle Havers: It's a tough way to become aware of the signs. First of all, and I wasn't aware of any of the signs. I mean, I, I knew that I was tired a lot, and I knew that my job was exhausting and I knew that I was working way too many hours in a week, but to call it a burnout would have never crossed my mind actually.

And, but now looking back, they were. So many signs. I mean, as I said, I was exhausted. I was tired. I had a lot of pain in my body. I had a lot of headaches. I had a lot of [00:06:00] neck and back pain and yeah. People tell you, okay, if you're, if you're working in an office and if you are sitting all day long, it's at your desk, that's obviously what's going to happen.

You know, you're gonna have a back that hurts, but actually. I worked out a lot. So I kept my body healthy in a way, but still I had this pain all over my body and in particular it was the headaches for me. And I thought that was because I was sitting in front of a computer all day long. But yeah, obviously that headache would never really go away, even if I went on a vacation.

So I was like, maybe there's some. Some other reason why I am I'm in pain all the time. And that could actually manifest for you listening that could manifest itself. In another way, you know, you could have a knee pain or, you know, Lex might hurt a lot or a lot of people [00:07:00] have digestive issues, sleep struggles.

I, I couldn't sleep well. I didn't sleep well. So that's why my body couldn't really recover from everything I did. To it. So, yeah, I guess sleep and headaches and for some people it's even digestive problems and all of that. 

Leah McIntosh: And see, when you're telling me this, I'm like having flashbacks to, when I worked in the corporate setting and it manifested itself as hives, like I was I'm allergic to work.

Yeah. I actually had to go on allergy medications. Yeah, because I would work out in hives, but I, I would not have put those two things together and that I need to make a switch and change. I'm burnt out. I did know that I hated going to work, but I blamed it on several other outside factors that it was something internal going [00:08:00] on.

But yeah, now that you say that those signs was, you know, the, the man it manifested itself to me with the allergies. Not being able to sleep. And then I felt guilty for feeling that way as well, and not wanting to be there and show up and be a team player. So yeah. Now that you say that it's like a light bulb just went off.

Isabelle Havers: Yeah. That happens, I guess, to so many out there that they don't make the connection between the body signs that they see. So you said you had hives and. Maybe your body can even develop, um, food allergies. All of the sudden you're not able to eat gluten anymore or fish anymore or whatever it is. It's basically.

Yes, let's put it that way. Your body telling you, Hey, I'm not okay. Hey, please pay [00:09:00] attention to me. Hey, I'm keeping you a lot of signs. You have to listen to me, you know, I need help. I need your support. I need your attention. You got to stop whatever you're doing there. You're overworked. And yeah, it's, it's the signs that your body gives you and you just have to listen to that, or it may, it will make things worse.

Leah McIntosh: So what, what was the process, I guess, for you once you did kind of start realizing that, okay, my body is at ease clearly and you know, I need to change something. What was that process like for you? 

Isabelle Havers: Well, the first time when I actually went into burn out, there was no process of realization. Actually, I, my colleagues came to me and told me, okay, Isabelle, we're going to take you home.

Now you look sick and you are crying in [00:10:00] front of the computer. And obviously you're not able to work anymore. So they got me home and they got me go to, to a doctor who, who then said, okay, you just stay home for two weeks. And then the two weeks were four weeks and then became six weeks. And then actually I stayed home for three months, but then the second time it started like that, I was like, okay, wait a minute.

I've been there. I've been through that. And I actually became way more aware of. The body signs that were showing, I was again, having a lot of headaches and then I was like, okay, maybe, maybe this is related to my job again, even though I was enjoying myself, you know, I had the best team in the world and I worked for a really great company content wise and product wise.

But obviously there was, I had an issue with setting boundaries for myself [00:11:00] and, you know, making that cut between, okay, this is work. I leave work. I go home and then I have a, another life outside work and I have to take care of myself. And that's actually, when I started to take care of myself in itsy-bitsy Dinae little steps, basically, because that's how you got to start.

You don't, you don't start with changing your life and a 180 degree that's that will never work because that will be another overwhelm for you. 

Leah McIntosh: Right. And so with that, when you said you were taking little steps, was it like you creating a routine that you did in the mornings or work? So what did that look like?

Isabelle Havers: So the first step that I did actually was I started listening to podcasts. To get myself inspired. [00:12:00] And throughout these podcasts, I learned about a morning routine or routines in general and how they can change your life. And then I started, okay, maybe I can make these podcasts listening a routine for me.

And then I also got myself into meditation and that sucked. Actually at the beginning, I really, I hated it. I was like, how can people enjoy sitting on a pillow for two hours and try not to think about anything? How can people enjoy that? And at first I was like, you know, meditation, it's just not for me.

You know, anybody else can do it, but obviously it's not me. But then I, I listened to some more podcasts and then people told me. Me basically, because they were obviously talking to me as well, that it's not about sitting on a pillow for two hours and not try to think about anything, but [00:13:00] it can start with 30 minutes or one minute or 30 seconds or one minute, and then up to five or 10 minutes.

And that's how I got started with my morning routine as well. And that looked at the beginning, it looked from the outside, it looked really basic, like. Podcast listening meditation for a couple of minutes, even if it was only one or two minutes. And that's when I realized, okay, these routines really make a difference in my life and really helped me get out of this mentality that I was in a while I was in corporate.

Leah McIntosh: I can completely relate to the meditation with me. I can't do this. So I decided to try transcendental meditation and go and learn that way, because I tried so many different types of meditation [00:14:00] that actually kind of stuck, you know? Cause I was like, oh, I don't have to sit for 20 or hour, just 20 minutes.

Oh I can do that. So yeah, that. That was one of my like small things that I did to help get me started in my day for the routines. Because I guess going into that too, you know, some of our listeners are moms and their routine. Maybe get up, take a five minute shower. You know, that's basically their self care time because they're running around trying to get their kids ready.

What advice would you give moms like that, that are just go, go, go that probably could benefit from having a little bit more routine for themselves. You know, that self care piece is, [00:15:00] is a huge thing. 

Isabelle Havers: Yeah. And I mean, I don't have kids yet, but I hear so many people or so many moms telling me. I can't do, I can't just take an hour or two just for myself and take care of myself.

And even though they understand how important that is, because as they say on an airplane, you got to put that oxygen mask on your face for us because he can serve every, everybody else at your best. So what advice would I give? Well, think about what your day, what your usual day looks like. And I understand that.

Usually there is no real structure. There is no. Okay. At seven we get up at eight. We have breakfast at eight 30. I can take a shower. I understand that. But what in your day, where in your day, could you be more present for yourself? You just mentioned they take a five minute shower, make it [00:16:00] a really mindful shower.

Just become aware of the water on your skin. What the water feels sly. Is it hot? Is it warm or do you prepare cold? How does the water, the temperature of the water may be changed when it, when it hits your skin? What do you feel like when you take the shower? Really don't think about, oh my gosh, I got to do some grocery shopping and then I gotta, you know, I gotta do the laundry and, oh my gosh, I have to go get my kid to soccer training, and then to, I don't know, guitar lesson and be present in that moment.

And you can be cooking and be present in that moment. You can be. Feeding your kid and be present in that moment, like become really aware of the process that you are in right now. Like, okay, I'm sitting in front of my kid. We are having this [00:17:00] beautiful, whatever it is you have to eat. Maybe you take it specific.

Look at the colors of the food or at the colors of what you are wearing, what your kid is wearing. It's these tiny moments. And it's basically only about becoming aware and being more mindful in your day, rather than rushing around like a headless chicken all the time, thinking about all the things that you got to do and all the things that you haven't done so far.

Leah McIntosh: And that's, you know, I feel a little convicted in that myself. I mean, you're saying it like that because I do tend to in the mornings. My routine is a little different. I do have to focus a lot on helping my, my guys that I help that I care for get going because they move a lot slower than most people.

But [00:18:00] I'm fortunate in the fact that once they are done, I get to do my morning here routine. I get to do the self care part. And so I avoid that burnout. But I kind of want to go back to something that you said about loving your job for women that have that feeling, that they love what they do. But as they're listening to this, they're starting to realize, oh, wait, there, I kind of relate to this, to those signs.

What would you do? I guess, you know, when you start feeling conflicted, like with myself, when I was working in the corporate. Knowing that I wanted to have that change, but loving what I did, I don't know. It's, that's kind of a hard place to navigate. So what advice would you give your clients that might be kind of stuck in that area. 

[00:19:00] Isabelle Havers: Yeah, there is no, there is no one size fits all advice, but here is what I will look into. And I totally understand this feeling of being in between a job that you love, or maybe it's not the job in particular, but it's everything around the job. Like for me, it was the people I work with. The company I worked for, but not the job in particular.

Like I was playing around with numbers all day long. I was, I was the formula queen of Xcel. You know, I was really into that and I told everybody that I really loved doing that, but eventually I found something else that, and here's the difference fulfilled. Worst and still fulfills my heart in my corporate job.

You know, I had fun. I was [00:20:00] laughing a lot at the end of the day. I came home and so many times to ask myself, okay, what difference did my work really do today? Whose life have I changed with the biggest formula ever written in Excel? And that's. Basically when it hit me. And when I had to tell myself, okay, it's not helping anyone.

It's not that I make somebody really happy with what I do and not even myself, not even, I am fulfilled with the job that I'm doing, even though I I'm having fun and I'm really enjoying enjoying it. But there, there wasn't a point when that actually led into frustration. That question of. Fulfillment the question of, am I following my soul path here?

And I guess that's, that's basically the [00:21:00] answer to your question. That

is that person that in-between person following her soul path, or is she, or is she not doing that? And. There are a couple of questions that you can ask yourself, like, are you really fulfilled? Where does the happiness come from? Like, is it the things that you have and the team that you have and the company that you work for, or is that really coming from inside of you?

Is that really something that as I sat whole feel skew, so yeah, it's basically all about, are you fulfilled with what you do or are you. Just happy or are you just telling yourself that you are happy and that you well, there's a difference between fun and being happy and fun and being fulfilled. So, yeah.

Get inspired, get inspiration, start reading [00:22:00] books, books about life books, about other people that have assume you lost similar story. Then you do listen to podcasts, whatever it is. There's so much out there. So many stories out there that you can learn from. So, yeah. Try and figure out, find, find something for you that leads you into a certain direction.

Leah McIntosh: And what about for women that don't know how to trust their intuition? I know that that's a big one too. Yeah. Like I know that there's a lot of women that don't trust it. And what would you tell them? 

Isabelle Havers: That's something we all have intuition. We are all intuitive beings. We just forgot to listen to our gas fueling.

And that's because our environments, our societies raised [00:23:00] us like that. It's more about that logical rational way of thinking. And. Not the, well, I don't feel that we should go into that direction. You would never say that in a, in a business meeting, you know, I would never tell anyone who might don't think, you know, this number of revenue just doesn't feel right.

I could not tell anybody that, you know, they would think I'm crazy. And that's how we kind of suppress our intuitive, our gut feeling. So. There is not something that you, not one thing that you do in particular, and then you're able to trust your intuition again, it's these tiny steps again, and maybe a morning routine, or maybe a routine of self care can help you tap into your intuition and start reconnecting with that feeling inside of you.

And. [00:24:00] You know, I was thinking, I was thinking for a couple of years, I was already thinking, okay, just, I just quit my job. I just don't want to work here in corporate anymore. But then what, what do I want to do? You know, I don't, I don't want to, I don't just want to switch companies and then do controlling in another company, but what the hell will I be doing that?

Oh my gosh, I was having this back and forth and not knowing what to do. And then I got myself deeper into meditation. I get myself into. More different self-care practices like tapping. I got myself really deep into the world of essential oils that made a difference for me. So at one, so that one day something happened and that feeling inside of me rose, and I was like, okay, this is it.

I'm going to quit my job. This is it. And I just felt it, it just felt right. And I knew that was the exact right [00:25:00] moment to quit. And that's when I, I knew, okay. I thought about that for two years now, but now it's the, now's the moment to do that. I just, I just held it. You can't really explain it. There is no rational behind it.

There is no logic behind it. It's, it's a feeling that you have inside of you. 

Leah McIntosh: Yeah. And, and that's important when you get in tune with you. A lot of us are not in tune with ourselves because we live outside. Noise become the background, you know, in our lives. And for me, in particular, I've noticed over the last year, especially with COVID happening in the world, kind of shutting down that not having as much of a social life and [00:26:00] stuff like that.

I've gotten, gotten so much more into with myself and I never really considered myself. Not being in tune, but I wasn't, you know, I wasn't following my, my intuition about certain things. As much as I do now became aware that, you know what, I need to take time to care a little bit more for me. Yeah. Because you know, with what I do now, taking care of two people that are differently abled.

Their needs come before me. And then I, I'm still responsible for being a wife, his needs before me. And then I have everybody else that it's just like, sometimes I just feel I'm being pulled back and forth and that a lot of women feel that way. When you look at the end of the day, you don't have time for you.

So I really liked the [00:27:00] idea of. A routine of finding it doesn't have to be an hour or two hours long. It does not. 

Isabelle Havers: So, yeah. And I so many people, well, I, I tell a lot where I talk a lot about a morning routine because this works great for me, but it might well be that you for yourself set up a routine at night.

If that helps you, you know, winding down and letting go of everything that happened throughout your day, and that helps you sleep better and you wake up more relaxed and more recovered. That's amazing. Then do your evening routine. You don't have to do a morning routine or, you know, there was a time in my life that I got up at 5:00 AM.

I don't know how I did that. Mostly I couldn't do that, but you know, it's not that you have to get up at 5:00 [00:28:00] AM to do a morning routine. You know, you can get up with your kids, make sure they have breakfast, you know, get them to school, whatever, and then go back home. And then maybe it's 10 or maybe it's even 11.

But it's still am. That's still mourning. That means you can still have your morning routine, then it doesn't have to be something that you do before everything else in your life happens. But it's about finding a slot in your daily life for yourself, so that you are able to, as you said it to you, tune into yourself and become more aligned, and that could be anything, you know, that could be.

Going for a walk, listening to a podcast, reading five pages in a book, nourish your body in a holistic way. So no rush yet. Food-wise so get some greens and fruits and [00:29:00] veggies and all that, and also make sure you feed your mind and your soul in a particular way, in a good way. And if that means listening to your favorite song every day, Time in the morning, every day in the morning and knew that listen to your favorite song and tune into it and sing along with it as loud as you can.

And if you do that car, do it in the car, you know, just don't care about everybody else watching you sitting in the car. It doesn't matter. You know, it's, it's for you, it's for your energy, it will make you feel different. It's like dancing around in your, in your house to your favorite song or, you know, sing along as I sad.

Leah McIntosh: Yeah. And see, I think for me, if I look back and I was listening to this years ago in a different version of myself, I would've been like, oh, I didn't know. I could just do something that's simple to get [00:30:00] into with my intuition. You know, those little simple, quick things that bring joy. I would have thought that I needed to go and.

Take a hour long bath and then go meditate for an hour and do all the, do all the things. But yeah, it makes so much sense. Just pick something that bring you joy, whether it's five minutes or 15 minutes. 

Isabelle Havers: Yeah. And it's so important that this is not something that it's not another item on your to-do list, you know?

It should be, as you said, it should be fun. It should bring you joy. And when I worked in corporate, I had a little sticky note on my, on my screen that said brief because, you know, throughout the day I got really busy and I got stressed out because I had so much to do, I forgot to breathe properly, but I wouldn't really notice.

So looking [00:31:00] at that sticky note telling me to breathe was like, oh yeah, Let's let's just breathe for 10 seconds. And my boss, she was sitting right next to me and I said, okay, you know, we just gotta take a deep breath here now, and then we can continue working. So it could be really simple things. Or maybe you just take 10 seconds and look out of the window.

And if you, if you have a window, obviously, but, or you look around now the room that you're in and really. Become aware of what's going on in that room. How other colors, maybe you become even aware of the smell in the room, all of these things, just to become a little more present in the moment that you were in.

Leah McIntosh: And I kind of want to touch on the essential oils that you said that you got really into to that. What was the attraction, I guess, for you with those. Well, it was, I don't really know much about that. [00:32:00] I know a lot of people use that in their practice and I, well, my husband really likes those. He asleep with, he has this diffuser.

Yeah. And he bought it. He said he bought it for me, but he uses it more than I do. Yeah. What, like I know that they have certain ones for calm and where. So, what was that attraction or what made you start that practice? 

Isabelle Havers: I actually, I got into essential oils because of my headaches. And to tell you a little bit more about my health background, I have a liver issue that I struggle with and the doctors don't really know what it is.

The result of it is that I am not able, or I'm not supposed to take any drugs. So whenever I have a headache, Or I had back then, I had some really severe headaches and that will be what [00:33:00] not knock me out for a whole day. And I was so fed up with that because the only way for me to get rid of the pain was to take a pill.

And because I couldn't, or because I wasn't allowed to take a pill, I just. Suffered one day long until a friend of mine, she introduced me to peppermint oil and that really made a big difference for me. So I got started on the oils because I felt they had a huge physical benefit. They could help me with my headache, as I said, and they can also help you with digestive issues, but actually what's what's for me, really.

Amazing. When it comes to essential oils is that they have an emotional and a mental benefit. So whenever you have struggles with. Let's say feeling not good enough, we have self doubt with [00:34:00] not feeling loved or whatever it is that you struggle with on an emotional level. That is something that you can assent that you can use essential oils for as well.

And that is why I, I used the, um, most of the time. So, this is just for me, that's this is just amazing for me, what they can do, and they are all natural. So I don't have to worry about using them or not using them. I just use them. And I know that they make a big difference in my life. 

Leah McIntosh: Awesome. And then I know you also talked about tapping.

I am happy and I know that that can help in so many different areas of your life. Yeah. Pain emotional struggles. You may deal with money. How do you, do you incorporate that, I guess, into your routine? Because I know there are some people that [00:35:00] rely on tapping daily two to three times. So is that something that you, you do.

Isabelle Havers: Yeah, I use, if I don't meditate, I do tapping or sometimes I do both, but for me, it's the fun in my routine starts when I am not. Strictly doing something every day, but when it can play a little round, because otherwise I get bored really easily and then it feels like I have to do it. And that the moment it starts like, oh my God, I have to do this now to feel better.

That's when I don't want to do that anymore. So I play a little round and I actually have an app that I use for tapping because that's, I just only started with tapping a couple of months ago and I. We discovered it through a friend of mine and she said, okay, that's really amazing when you tap onto specific body parts.

And then [00:36:00] you tell yourself all these effort nations, what changed can happen within one tapping session that is five or 10 minutes long. And this is so. Again, this is also such an easy tool to implement, and you can also do it basically everywhere, as long as you don't care people looking at you, like, was she doing over there?

That being on her forehead all the time and mumbling some, some thing, but yeah, I guess it's, for me, it's the variation that I have in my routine between meditation tapping and. Everything that I feel I feel good afterwards. 

Leah McIntosh: Well, and I guess I should elaborate a little bit. So for those of you that don't know what tapping is, it's a meat, emotional freedom technique, and you tap on certain Meridian points in your body, but [00:37:00] it is, I'm like you, when I, when I first learn about tapping, I thought.

This is blue and a friend helped me tap away my shoulder pain and I don't have it anymore. And that was what two, three months ago. And that was when I became a believer that, oh, okay, this really works. So I've incorporated that into a lot of my practice and I've taught my mom had to do it. And her reaction was the same as mine.

Like. This is crazy. And she was laughing and giggling. When I first taught her how to do it or anxiety. When riding in the car with my dad,

he was like, what are you doing [00:38:00] for that? Now she's also started to incorporate it into when she has headaches. Yeah. And so, you know, it's become a big part of what I do and just the you're right. The affirmations alone are amazing because you get a chance to really work on your I AM's. And a lot of people don't really realize that.

And I think that's another way for you to tap into. Your intuition too. How do you view yourself when you say I am? What does that word after, you know, how do you describe yourself that identity? That, for me was a big thing because I realized when I was saying I am, sometimes it was not the most positive word.

You know, it was not using language that was promoting, [00:39:00] I guess. Me to be the best version of me. So, you know, tapping has helped me to be more positive and kind of speak life into myself, which is huge. So yeah, I really love that practice and that's, that would be an amazing thing for people to learn.

Cause that, like you said, it could be five to 10 minutes. And it does lift your spirits and you do feel it shift depending on what it is that you're tapping on. Yeah. 

Isabelle Havers: And what I also like so much about tapping is the connection again, between our mind and our body. So as I said, I use an app for that because I feel for me, that's easier to, to, to do that when I don't have to think about anything myself and.

When I use the app for [00:40:00] headaches, for example, and how they talk about, okay. Where does that feeling of headache come from? And what is it that I'm thinking about myself in the moment where I have a headache? How do I talk to myself and think about that? Maybe I wasn't talking to myself in a nice way, and that's where the headaches.

Come from that is the connection between the body and the mind. This is something that paying highlights a little bit, but more than meditation, because in meditation, you basically, while you have a body scan, for example, that you go through your body and tune into your body and check out what's going good.

And you know where you might have. Or why you might feel a pain, but with tapping, that's really the connection between the words between the thoughts that you're thinking and [00:41:00] physical symptoms that show in your body. And this is what I feel is so amazing about tapping. 

Leah McIntosh: Yes. Yeah. I could not agree more.

So I have to ask, what is this app called? 

Isabelle Havers: The tapping solution. And it's really, it's really great. It's by a couple Jessica and Nick Ortner, and they also use the effort nations of Louise hay. And she also wrote a book. So, and Louise hay. She also, I guess you wrote a couple of books that she wrote one where you can basically look up.

Your a body part. And she explains what this body part is about. For example, if you like have a back pain, what that could mean that you are or shoulder pain, that you are carrying a lot. [00:42:00] In your life that you don't have to carry around anymore, or, you know, you're putting a lot of weight on your shoulders because you are taking on a lot of responsibilities, not only for yourself, but for so many other people out there as well.

And that could again, then manifest itself in a shoulder pain or back pain or neck pain, whatever they is. And that is something. That I also find so fascinating how specific actions in your life actually manifest themselves and in your body and that your body at one point in time, we'll talk to you and let you know that it's too much and that you've taken on too much for yourself.

Leah McIntosh: Yes. Cause I know, you know, like I said, looking back, my body has shown me several, several different occasions that. You're doing too much. You need to slow down or, you know, with the different aches and pains that I've noticed that have come [00:43:00] up for me, another way, that kind of the dis-ease that I was feeling when I was working and not being my own boss, if I hadn't been stroke, irregular, erratic, I can't say, 

Isabelle Havers: I asked me to say it, you know,

Leah McIntosh: That we don't have to have surgeries and stuff like that. And I was like, you know what, in the world, I don't want to have to do this. But once I realized that I kind of eliminated certain things on in my life, those elements and that, that disease, you know, rectify itself. But I wasn't in tuned enough to realize that that's what it was.

Isabelle Havers: Yeah. And I think you're mentioning a really important point there when it comes to menstrual issues, because I feel like so many women out there have these, they have a [00:44:00] lot of they're in so much pain when they are in their period. And that's actually one of the biggest indicators that your body can show you that you are not aligned.

With yourself that you have way too much stress in your life and that you have to look deeper into your body and into your mind and into your, into your soul as well because people or women think that this is a painful week in your, in your month. That that's not true. It's not supposed to be hurtful.

It's not supposed to make you lay in bed for a couple of days. No. It's not, it's the most feminine part of the cycle, basically. And that should be something that you, I mean, I'm not looking forward to it. Let's put it that way, but it's something that we accept [00:45:00] and that we surrender to not in a way of giving up to, oh my gosh.

You know, I believe that you can pay just, but more often. This is a part of me. This, I get to experience that. And when we look at it like that, we also should look at it with Y or we also should make sure that it, it's not a painful process that we go through. 

Leah McIntosh: Yes. And that's, I know for me, it's, it's just annoying more than anything.

But at the same time, there was a point in my life where I didn't have a period at all. And I knew that that was a sign that was not good. So, you know, it's, it's kind of waned back and forth. The more I become in tune, I feel like the more my, my body [00:46:00] functions, the way that it's supposed to alignment, and I'm not even completely there yet.

But the more work I do on myself internally to get aligned and to feel like I'm doing what I'm called to do. So the listening, you know, to what that intuition that voice, the better I feel overall, my wellbeing is just much, much better. You know, I. This was kind of an eye-opening conversation for me, because it made me think back to some of the things that I struggled with and I was working in corporate and I never would have put these things together.

I don't know I had this conversation with you that those were the signs that I needed to make changes then. And I just didn't. I kept going along with no I'm supposed to work, you know, I'm supposed to be. And I, you know, it was [00:47:00] not fulfilling me 

Isabelle Havers: and I don't want to say there, or I want to stress that there's nothing wrong with corporate there's, there's nothing wrong with it, but what's missing in corporate and what I was missing in corporate in that, and why so many women in corporate are so sick is because there is this lack of.

Softness there is this lack of intuition. There is this lack of flow and women neglect that part of themselves and men do too, by the way know, man have a feminine side as well, even though they don't want to see that. And don't want to talk about that. They do, but we all neglect that. And especially in corporate and in so many other areas in our society, this is.

Suppressed because femininity is regarded as some [00:48:00] something weak, it's way too many emotions. You don't want to get emotional. You know, you don't want to cry in front of your boss and corporate never, ever, or you don't want to get upset or you don't want to get angry or whatsoever emotions are not allowed in corporate.

And that's what I in particular, want to help. Women with, and that's what I also tell my clients every time it's so important to allow this part of yourself, emotions are part of yourself. If you don't, if you don't let them out, if you don't show that you're angry, if you don't show that you're upset, if you don't show that you're sad about something that also will manifest itself somewhere in your body, and it will show.

You know, some somebody part will probably get sick and then your whole body might get sick of it. So it's really important that we get more softness into [00:49:00] corporate. We get, we allow ourselves to live more intuitively. Even though numbers and figures and all of that are so not intuitively, there needs to be a way.

And I feel like this is through people, through the people that doing that are doing the job is how we get that flow into, into corporate as well. 

Leah McIntosh: Yeah. And just find a balance because it is, that's a hard thing to do. And I worked in the prison system. And so, you know, they expected you to be hard. So there was no room to be feminine at all.

I mean, you can, you can try, but you, as a woman working in that industry, in that field, you wanted to suppress your femininity as much as possible. Because you didn't want to be targeted, you know, [00:50:00] you didn't, I want to be targeted from the population that you were in charge of and the males that she worked with.

So yeah. Now just looking back at this and I'm like, no wonder I was so at dis-ease I had to lock away a part of me that was essential and I did that for years, years, so yeah. That's that's huge. 

Isabelle Havers: Yeah. And it's also okay to, I mean, we, as you said, it's about the balance. So we, as women also need that masculine part inside of us because it's important to, to hustle and to push through every now and then, but not all of the time, take a break, relax, breathe, meditate, tap, whatever it is that calms you down.

But if you don't. Have that balance in your life, then you will, you will eventually become [00:51:00] sick because you are not aligned. 

Leah McIntosh: Yeah. And then that is, yeah, it's, it's just kind of eyeopening, even though I'm I'm far removed and worked in that arena are for anybody for the last six years, it's still like, that's what was going on with you, you know, that.

So, yeah, this has been such an eye-opening conversation and I just thank you for coming on and sharing how we can start getting back into tune with ourselves. It's important. And women, you know, need to know that they're allowed to take the time out to get into and to get in alignment, because I feel like a lot of the times.

It's easy to dismiss our, our feelings or to put ourselves on the back burner because everything else that [00:52:00] we have to do. So I just thank you for coming in and sharing your, your expertise with us. 

Isabelle Havers: Thanks for having me. I really enjoyed our little conversation. 

Leah McIntosh: I enjoyed it too. So is there any social media that you'd like to share or how can my listeners get in contact with you if they want to learn further, 

Isabelle Havers: I am on Instagram. You can find me by my name. I guess you will put it somewhere in a link. Right. As my, and my name is pretty complicated, complicated it's German. So, and yeah, I would also be on LinkedIn, but Instagram is actually my preferred.

Social media platform. 

Leah McIntosh: Okay, great. Well, once again, thank you for sharing your story. [00:53:00] And with that guys, I will talk to you on the next one. Thanks.

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